Subject	It was actually pretty conservative. With the engine
Posted by	AshsZ on January 23, 2004 at 6:25 PM
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In Reply To	how much timing on the top end? (n/m) posted by MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) on January 23, 2004 at 06:15 PM
Message	breathing as much air as it was there is lesser need for more advanced timing as it actually starts to hurt power production because you are initiating the rise in pressure before the piston is on its way down. Compressing expanding gases is more difficult and you will begin noting a drop in torque (which also affects horsepower). [ ashleypowers.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] [ Zemulator Information Sheet ] [ Z1 Motorsports Website ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast? If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor. Albert Einstein
Follow Ups	DYNO Day: Chris Damato's Z1 Built, HKS2530 Powered AutoTT>>> - AshsZ 16:08:00 01/23/04 I dread the day Z1 gets an in-house dyno.. - MaxBoostTT 16:20:32 01/23/04 If you only knew.. ;-) (n/m) - AshsZ 16:39:25 01/23/04 Any SAE Charts??...Nice numbers BTW....... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 16:21:47 01/23/04 Nope. (n/m) - AshsZ 16:23:12 01/23/04 don't poke the dragon. - ni[X]it 16:25:27 01/23/04 It was 12:1 on race fuel, 11:1 on pump fuel. (n/m) - AshsZ 16:27:26 01/23/04 right. I understand. - ni[X]it 16:30:01 01/23/04 Ahh, gotcha. Thanks for the support! (n/m) - AshsZ 16:36:59 01/23/04 im lost...saw this twice ---> "disco potato" - genic 16:22:10 01/23/04 Disco Potato turbos are just like the HKS2530's, but they - AshsZ 16:26:32 01/23/04 interesting. never heard that term until today...im stupid (n/m) - genic 16:27:54 01/23/04 I don't know what drugs Z1 has you on,.... - ni[X]it 16:28:08 01/23/04 coke does the body good - SL103 16:40:45 01/23/04 wrong - aliaZ 16:29:46 01/23/04 Marginal difference in the compressor wheel, yes. (n/m) - AshsZ 16:35:30 01/23/04 hmm - aliaZ 16:38:28 01/23/04 And our Stage3BB turbos are actually disco potato turbos, - AshsZ 16:38:53 01/23/04 thanks (n/m) - aliaZ 16:50:15 01/23/04 That 2530 car was with the .64 housing, NOT the .86, BTW - Scotts94z32 17:22:38 01/23/04 Well, I was told otherwise.. - AshsZ 18:11:31 01/23/04 TWO 2530 cars have recently been built. One with .64, one - Scotts94z32 21:48:41 01/23/04 What manifold did that car have , the other 2530 (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 18:14:35 01/23/04 Both of their GT2530 cars have Nissan manifolds. (n/m) - Scotts94z32 21:52:03 01/23/04 Garret GT28R turbo that was first tested/used on a 91 Sentra - TtrboStarZ 16:28:41 01/23/04 Also 62 trim compressor and 76 trim turbine housing (n/m) - TtrboStarZ 16:30:46 01/23/04 Actually its the GT28RS. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:22:54 01/23/04 You guys know what you're doing, don't you?:) (n/m) - emo236 16:23:18 01/23/04 Question... - kickboxr99 16:24:32 01/23/04 Personally? I put 300 easy miles on it and then - AshsZ 16:33:22 01/23/04 Thank you, that helps =) (n/m) - kickboxr99 17:10:03 01/23/04 don't forget about the oil change after the first 10min of - John@Z1 17:15:57 01/23/04 I knew it would make those numbers!! Spool is great too! (n/m) - larryb 16:30:03 01/23/04 nice numbers. which cams? (n/m) - aliaZ 16:32:37 01/23/04 2nd on the cams. (n/m) - larryb 17:04:55 01/23/04 This engine uses our biggest cam, Z1-Spec. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:08:22 01/23/04 can these cams use the early timing gears? (n/m) - aliaZ 17:19:03 01/23/04 jesus - maxl(Indy) 16:36:21 01/23/04 Those look like the turbos to get! - degradated 16:39:47 01/23/04 Well, I'm thinking the disco potato (Z1 Stage3BB) will be - AshsZ 16:41:11 01/23/04 What kind of tuning was done on Chris' car? - degradated 16:48:01 01/23/04 I always perform a 'complete' tune of the car on a dyno. - AshsZ 17:06:46 01/23/04 It's all about the power of the zem! (n/m) - John@Z1 17:09:30 01/23/04 who designed that thing anyway ? (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 17:24:43 01/23/04 its all about the tuner. The Zem is just a tool (n/m) - aliaZ 17:36:44 01/23/04 So is the tuner. (n/m) - ZHOUND 17:38:08 01/23/04 If you knew John, you'd know he was just being silly there. - AshsZ 17:38:52 01/23/04 yep, I just like for people to act like I want them to };> (n/m) - John@Z1 17:42:57 01/23/04 I was indirectly paying Ash a compliment on his tuning - aliaZ 17:47:51 01/23/04 LOL, thanks for the support bro! (n/m) - AshsZ 18:15:36 01/23/04 this car also had better IC's imho - aliaZ 16:45:56 01/23/04 Good point... - degradated 16:56:56 01/23/04 don't forget he has portwork and all that good stuff too! - Gsujeff55 19:54:08 01/23/04 Fantastic Job! I have been wondering how this combo would - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 16:51:46 01/23/04 Wonder why the graph is not SAE. (n/m) - ZHOUND 16:56:28 01/23/04 When its cold out Dyno's correct down..... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 17:02:08 01/23/04 So - ZHOUND 17:10:35 01/23/04 SAE was like 587RWHP.. We were looking through the - AshsZ 17:12:13 01/23/04 Print the corrected graph and post it. (n/m) - ZHOUND 17:14:41 01/23/04 I dont have the ability to do that here, but I can get - AshsZ 17:19:15 01/23/04 Second that, we get so much crap when we - colocomp (Denver) 17:21:02 01/23/04 They are corrected, but using the STD correction, not SAE. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:26:08 01/23/04 STD correction is ALWAYS at least 4% higher than SAE. (n/m) - ZHOUND 17:30:57 01/23/04 It showed 587RWHP in SAE.. I can get them for you if it - AshsZ 17:34:09 01/23/04 I find it funny he jumps in to dispute our numbers, - colocomp (Denver) 17:44:47 01/23/04 That's Mr. Ass Master to you, son. =) (n/m) - AshsZ 19:25:12 01/23/04 Awesome awesome curve! Love the power @ 3500 rpms! (n/m) - Arnel(Z32R.com) 16:58:51 01/23/04 IS he using STOCK cams??????? (n/m) - kabubi13(Tx) 17:12:26 01/23/04 no he isn't - aliaZ 17:21:33 01/23/04 i'd like to see a car get those cams and gain 50 rwhp. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 17:24:26 01/23/04 Its usually about 40-50RWHP gained.. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:28:16 01/23/04 would I need 94-96 cam gears with this cam? (n/m) - aliaZ 17:32:50 01/23/04 No. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:42:47 01/23/04 interesting... - aliaZ 17:46:27 01/23/04 The JWT400 cams are smaller than these.. (n/m) - AshsZ 18:04:32 01/23/04 lift and duration specs? - aliaZ 18:32:16 01/23/04 On a car with GD manifolds, HKS2530's, portwork, and - AshsZ 18:37:53 01/23/04 grr. that doesn't help me much - aliaZ 18:50:10 01/23/04 Well, my point is mainly the fact that a JWT Sport500 - AshsZ 18:55:59 01/23/04 Just an FYI: They were never rated for RWHP numbers - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 19:35:43 01/23/04 Golly gee, you must be kidding. I never thunk that. (n/m) - AshsZ 12:08:42 01/24/04 I agree, I like to actual specs of the cam, not market - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 21:44:12 01/23/04 Wow, that chart looks great. (n/m) - dlaw300z(Austin) 17:06:36 01/23/04 something is off with the HP axis, no? The curves don't - Scotts94z32 17:34:05 01/23/04 They all match. TQ and HP aren't on the same scale - AshsZ 17:36:04 01/23/04 Got it... it did look a bit awkward, especially w/o int at - Scotts94z32 17:42:16 01/23/04 Its "Divale" you skinny punk! You get the CD yet? - RegalZ 17:35:59 01/23/04 LOL, yeah.. slipped on that one. But no, no CD biche! - AshsZ 17:37:27 01/23/04 Nope, I spent all my money at Z1 and Fanny's, sent Priority (n/m) - RegalZ 17:40:01 01/23/04 it's fannies, fat boy (n/m) - John@Z1 17:46:45 01/23/04 not an apples to apples comparison imho - aliaZ 17:43:50 01/23/04 Hmm... but yours was only tuned to around 22 psi - degradated 17:44:05 01/23/04 If I remember correctly 22PSI is when it started detonating (n/m) - RegalZ 11:32:03 01/24/04 Nice work! Is this the 1st GT2530 + GD Inconel Header combo - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 17:47:35 01/23/04 YES. (n/m) - larryb 17:53:48 01/23/04 Those inconel really make it breath. How much timing - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 18:06:46 01/23/04 Yeah, they do. There's a lot more to it than just the - AshsZ 18:14:42 01/23/04 how much timing on the top end? (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 18:15:49 01/23/04 It was actually pretty conservative. With the engine - AshsZ 18:25:52 01/23/04 What timing is considered conservative with race fuel? (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 20:52:00 01/23/04 Can you give me some numbers? You would make a great - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 22:24:55 01/23/04 Mike, I commend your effort, BUT >> - Chip(GMS Racing) 10:33:58 01/24/04 You are right. Ever since he went commercial it' been - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 12:44:31 01/24/04 This is one impressive Dyno plot !! - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 18:24:30 01/23/04 Re: DYNO Day: Chris Damato's Z1 Built, HKS2530 Powered AutoTT>>> - John@Z1 18:56:51 01/23/04 And then the low fuel light turns on. :-( God I hate when - AshsZ 19:00:02 01/23/04 Yep, ultra bummer. (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 19:31:54 01/23/04 What Driveline Mods? Tranny and/or Converter? Stock? (n/m) - Eggman 19:10:49 01/23/04 yes all stock (n/m) - John@Z1 19:16:02 01/23/04 Reliablity of stock with that HP/TQ rating? - Eggman 19:22:13 01/23/04 A stock tranny wont hold up long with that - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 19:27:35 01/23/04 Stock trans will die a quick and furious death with this - AshsZ 19:28:56 01/23/04 CONGRATS CHRIS. couldn't of happened to a better guy! - Gsujeff55 19:55:14 01/23/04 500 rwhp @ 4k rpm...Nice! (n/m) - 1BADTTZ (So Cal) 20:04:24 01/23/04 That's actually his torque (which is still really good!) (n/m) - degradated 20:11:57 01/23/04 Your right, it actually hit at 4.7K rpm. 300rpm sooner - 1BADTTZ (So Cal) 20:20:22 01/23/04 Re: That's actually his torque (which is still really good!) - Velox 21:46:57 01/23/04 The GD manifolds are helping the tq at the low end. - xybertron 00:51:57 01/24/04 Don't higher lift/duration cams usually end up - degradated 01:09:52 01/24/04 nice. post the actual numbers (x hp@ y rpm) so i can put the - Bernie (OOParts International) 20:52:45 01/23/04
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